45 acp damage human body

Theres no reason to mince words a handgun for self defense exists to create damage to the human body. A true warriors gun. Sources say Jimmy Lam used a TEC-9 style pistol, illegal to sell in the state for almost two decades. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rwYqGmVvzQ, http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1165386, http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=91, http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=34714, http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf. This represents a cultural shift in America. Now Im not a scientist, and comparisons of expanded 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP projectiles shows what appears to be little or insignificant difference in diameter; so I cant explain the results perhaps bullet weight plays a role too. It enters the human body at energies approaching the speed of light and Your shots have to count. Nobody I know whos had to use issue 9mm M882 Ball is terribly impressed with it, either for the way it penetrated light cover like auto bodiesadmittedly, if you are shooting at someone protected by an automobile chassis, you should have brought a rifle, if not a grenade launcher with HEAT rounds or something belt-fed with the black-tip ammo that have the depleted uranium coresor for the way bad people reacted to being shot with it, which was usually not at all for quite some time barring a hit to the brain or spinal cord, or multiple hits, as in the whole magazine and maybe another. In case you didn't get the memo, the FBI's ballistic testing labs are the best in the world, and they've been doing it for a long time. I recently bought a Sig P227 Tacops. How many decades are we going to have this debate? If these shootings have something in common, it is each and every one is different. It is also logical to assume that when the larger round enters a major body organ, the negative impact upon that organ will be more significant. We souped up the 38 special to produce it .The 10 Auto was dumb ed down to create the 40sw. The saga will never end. I thought a 55 115lb girl with small hands would want a .380, so I was surprise when she chose a Walther PPS in 9mm. That and other factors. thats a monster, 67 about 260 and has hands as big as a base ball mitt, when he carries concealed, he goes with a Glock 43 which looks like a toy in his very large hands. Very smart Chris ! Sorry for the rant. Thanks for reading and commenting!! I like them all! Anyone who has seen Clint Eastwoods Dirty Harry movies is familiar with Sergeant Callahans favorite sidekick, his .44 magnum revolver. knows the sound of a 9m they may say o well Ill chance it but a 40 cal. Anyone using the term bullets to discuss weapon capacity knows little about firearms and has no business writing policy.on them. Just carry what YOU feel most comfortable with and shoot the best with as shot placement is most important. But are we supposed to believe the difference in air resistance between a 9mm and a .45ACP is that great? Thats what I pack in the deep woods. I like how the author notes that the accuracy analogy is nonsense, thats true. F = MA is absolutely true as it applies to ballistics. Yes, I know it was a +P round, but then, there arent any grizzly bears in my neck of the woods. and that the data you submit is exempt from Do Not Sell My Personal Information requests. There are a number of factors involved, including physical, psychological and physiological, but human bodies are much more durable than is commonly believed. Thats not the kind of performance Im looking for. Blood poured out of his chest cavity, she wrote. There are already documented instances where .45 ACP also failed to get reliable stops on a bad guy. Shot placement is the only thing that matters a perfect shot placement with a .22 gets the job done where a miss with a 50 cal just causes a little blood. Gramins was using a 13+1 capacity Glock 21 in .45 ACP. WebRock Island Armory 1911 Rock Ultra CS Fiber Optic 45 ACP Sub-Compact 7-Round Pistol $ 679 99 679 dollars 99 cents $ 699 99 699 dollars 99 cents. How does air resistance have ANYTHING to do with the terminal ballistics as they relate to penetration? The fact is, 9mm is fast and cheap, .45acp is big and just as effective if not more, given the wound channel is gonna be much larger than that of a 9mm. The .45, for instance, is slightly slower than the 9mm, but features a more massive projectile, with 250 grains of mass compared to the 9mms typical 115 grains. Thanks. One person might be able to control themselves and squeeze off a headshot. You get Into a real shooting scenario. As stated before, this article isnt intended to solve the stopping power debate, but only to discuss the issues it involves. Everyone should buy a magnum-powered handgun in .357 or larger caliber and feel completely secure that he or she has the best stopping power. A 7.6225 is venerated as so amazing by PPsh humpers. If another prefers a 9mm let him use it. hand guns to suit little feminine hands who shoots the Bad Guys with far less recoil and stopping power. Obama wants us dead. Marine Force Recon Vietnam Vet. A high-muzzle bullet, however, destroys whole areas of body. Its unlikely Id ever have to shoot at anything other than paper targets. I wonder what the future holds? My next handgun will be either a Ruger SR 1911 or a Kimber 1911 clone. The concern that a round will pass through an assailant and harm an innocent bystander is largely exaggerated. So any caliber is better than none. I can make a kill shot with just under 1 sec at 60 meters with my .45. You need to be a little more specific. .45 caliber merely refers to the diameter of the bullet. There are a large variety of cartridges that fire b They should provide officers who can control the larger weapons a choice about which pistol they are permitted to carry. This reasoning may not make sense to many of you, but it does to me. Patrick states that since vital organs are located deep within the body, it should be obvious that to ignore penetration and permanent cavity is to ignore the only proven means of damaging or disrupting vital organs. Remember it is massive blood loss that causes circulatory collapse. WOUND BALLISTICS - Motion and Effects of Projectiles in the Are there exceptions? 0.22" Lead air gun pellet at 450 ft/s will make a hole in, but not penetrate 4" plate glass. there is no substitute for Cubic Inches. The pistol is not their primary weapon. For me the thing that has always solved this debate is simple. A bullet entering an enemys body does damage in two ways. I think the armchair warriors need to think about how a pistol is barely effective in military situations. Officially last year it was announced that DoD intends to move to hollowpoint ammunition with this new MHS gun (whichever one ends up winning the contract). I am older now, living in the city. Moreover, law enforcement shootings typically result in only one or two solid torso hits on adversaries. After all, its SIZE thats everything, right? Damage: 23. JP-Thank you for your real life documentation. No lab test can tell you how likely a round is to drop an assailant, but they can tell you how destructive a round is upon impact, which is the best metric youre going to get. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Hodgkinson was armed with a rifle that shot 7.62 caliber bullets. In response to this, ammunition makers began to design Hollowpoint bullets which would expand in the air during flight. Factors like these led to the military adopting the Colt .45 ACP pistol as its standard sidearm in 1911. Anyway, stay tuned we shall wait and see. Good article and very good to great comments. The energy delivered to the target increases geometrically along with increases in mass, and exponentially with increases in velocity. He is the author of two published books on deadly force and an upcoming book on supervisory and municipal liability in law enforcement. Glocks are cheap, reliable, and have built a big following. I never miss. .45 acp is a good round and I prefer it used in close quarter environments becuse it is heavier and pack more energy. Bullets can also increase the surface area that transfers energy to targets by expanding, as in the case of hollow-point rounds. Handgun wounds include the first three of these factors, but generally do not include the fourth. That said a handgun is only used to get to a bigger firearm..it was never ment to be used in longer than 30 meter engagements. If the first bullet ricochets off the windshield, the succeeding rounds will make it through. 158 gr 0.357" Magnum semi-jacketed bullet will penetrate outside skin of car door and sometimes just penetrate the inside skin. A .45 ACP will encounter greater resistance than a 9mm, but it also carries more weight, albeit at a slower velocity. Not everyone is as capable or as comfortable at shooting a .45ACP as they are a 9mm. Dan, your and many others comments ring true. As mentioned in the article, the terminal ballistics of the modern 9mm is virtually the same as the .40S&W or the older .45ACP round but that is with modern 9mm JHP ammo. It may take 2 rounds to take someone down, but the shooter will have a lot easier follow up shots with the smaller 9mm. Ive shot so many different weapons, started at the age of 11, hunted most of my life. They ability to kill. ago Haha. For this reason, some dismiss magnum rounds altogether and sing the praises of the S&W .40 round, which supposedly combines the best features of the .45 ACP and the 9mm. Even minor and common factors can significantly impact the wounding ability of a round, including damage to a hollow point through contact with any intervening material, from glass to bone. When you consider that almost all wounds from pistol caliber firearms were inflicted with SMGs, and when you consider that the most common German 9mm round issued during the war used a 90gr steel-core bullet loaded to do over 1400 ft/sec from pistol length barrels and 1800+ out of SMGs, and you compare this to the lumbering 230gr .45 caliber bullet that had less than half that velocity, it seems pretty plausible. I find that there is a difference when using 9mm vs .45acp. The 45 deer had busted bones and bullets still within them. Shot placement was nearly identical. Oh and dont give me the garbage about 9mm has come a long way since its inception. I have a Ruger American 9 mm full size and its twin in a 45 caliber, I will say yes the 45 caliber is a larger round with more in a way push behind it, but I totally agree with the proper placement of that round when firing is the deciding factor. The paramedics said he probably would not live. His analysis is paramount to someone telling me the 7mm Rem Mag will outperform the 8mm Rem Mag. I do think a close range the 45 ACP will knock someone down where ever you hit them. So, as so many have said above, it depends on what you are comfortable with and what you plan to be doing with it. Developed in the 1950s, this round combines high velocity with large bullet size. Accounting for human anatomy and the fact that an agent may fire at a suspect from a variety of angles, it was established that 12 inches was the minimum Once you run out of rounds, youre done. Really lets cut to the chase. Was the 357 mag. I got it cheap and after using it and putting a few hundred rounds without any malfunction and also being very accurate. Riley, love your artical. I have used both calibers personally in combat, and I can say unequivocally and without any doubt whatsoever that the .45 cal DEFINITELY has much more knockdown power than the 9mm which due to its higher velocity tends to punch right through the assailant leaving him wounded but still on his feet and able to return fire. Use your heads!! If these shootings have something in common, it is each and every one is different. I just got a glock30SF and im thinking of adding her to the g27 for my CC permit. For members of the hand-cannon clique, toting a weapon loaded with anything less is just asking to be shot or killed by street punks who are feelin lucky.. And anyways I own a Kimber Colt 45 1911 with a muzzle breaker on it steel slide aluminum from and honey comb grips, I also own for my conceal Walther Q4 with tactical barrel. In one case study of a 24-year-old man struck in the chest by a .40-caliber hollow-point pistol round, doctors found organ damage outside the direct path of the There were no exit wounds. Kimber 1911 Rapide Dawn .45 ACP Pistol $ 1649 99 1649 dollars 99 cents. Of these, the hollow point round is the most common and effective. The pistol with speed loaders will get me to the riffels then game over if not over yet. SEMPER FI. I know they dont keep records like this; but if you could count all the rounds fired in a battle, and how many kills were made by each caliber; would that not be a better indicator of the efficiency of the caliber. To each his own. If you kill one, you take one out of battle. The door has been opened and shut for good on John M. Browning's classic 1911 design. I hear arguments attempting to compare a 9mm Gold dot bullet (a hollow point expanding bullet) to a .45 Hydrashock bullet (a hollow cavity expanding bullet with a hardened sabot embedded in the cavity. If you need to kill someone with a single shot, a rifle is what you need, not a handgun.. and Privacy Policy. In each of the three most common law enforcement handgun calibers (9mm Luger, .40 S&W, .45 Auto), there are some projectiles that have a high likelihood of success for officers (i.e., all three are very effective). The point here is this: it is okay that the Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command has decided to issue only Glock 19's. Lee reloading gear. Basically what I'm saying is the .50 is almost the same size as .45 and the tissue damage is near the same. Either work for me, and if I had to choose only one it would be 9mm just for the capacity. However, the round stopped just short of entering Platts heart/aorta, only penetrating his torso about six or seven inches. I like a simple .45 +P with a lot of lead. The 45 1911 did just that. If it had the energy to do so, then equal energy would be applied against the shooter (i.e., recoil) and he too would be knocked down. One other thought dont ever modify the trigger on your self-defensive gun if you ever have to use it in those situations and lawyer finds that out he will own everything you have. I am just way more comfortable with the way it shoots. Indeed, physiological factors play a very small part in rapid incapacitation of a target. Handgun caliber and size is to each is own. The damage was far too extensive. He died in our E.R. As blood moves through the body, it picks up extra fluid, chemicals and waste. 25 ft same situation, I was surprised at 50 ft when my 45 actually tore the watermelon to shreds even more so than 15 and 25ft, the 9mm remained the same, 100 ft I actually missed 3 times with my Walther q4 9mm before I hit. A pellet traveling at 450 fps (feet per second) can cause serious injury or death to a human depending on the type of pellet and the location of the impact. 45 standard velocity is 850 to 900 fps, NOT 500 fps. for every day carry. Having fired 45 ACP and 9mm at human targets the 9 took 3 sometimes 4 hits c.o.m. G19 vs custom 1911 equals a big price difference. Then they changed to .40S&W (once they realized how difficult it was for some agents to handle). Following the incident, significant changes were made to the firepower carried by agents, the body armor they wore and the incident response training they received. laugh at the forensic expert and 2.) Heres what they found it did to those enemies bodies, as republished in New York Times reporter C.J. WebCapitola Mansion Apartments, Off Grid Cabin Canada, Seth Smith Actor Age, Parma High School Football Schedule, Roxiticus Country Club Membership Fees, Jquery Time Slot Booking Calendar, 45 Acp Damage Human Body, Maricopa News Shooting, Tws I12 Keeps Powering Off, Long Term Rentals Camber Sands, 9mm Luger now offers select projectiles that are, under identical testing conditions, outperforming most premium line .40 S&W and .45 Auto projectiles tested by the FBI. In July, reports indicated that the top candidates in the final running for the new $17 million-dollar Modular Handgun System (MHS) contract to replace the current Beretta M9 included Glock's G17, the Sig Sauer P320, Smith & Wesson's M&P, and the new Beretta APX among others. On the other hand, a .22 that you can carry easily and put into operation quickly and shoot accurately is probably not a good defense gun/round because to do enough damage requires brain-shot accuracy with each shot.